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Post by rcyogi on Mar 20, 2006 17:40:02 GMT
Hi all,
New guy here, is there a way to run the car without the one way in the front? I really like to drive the car without it, fits my driving stile better.
Thanks.
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Post by chris burgess on Mar 20, 2006 18:01:07 GMT
hi mate, welcome aboard!
there is not (as yet) a proper way to run the car with no one way, other than to either glue it up or to replace the o rings with a really stiff piece of rubber to act as a clamp, if you see what I mean.
having said that, I may have an old one piece centre shaft knocking round from an older pred, that you could replace the existing one with....
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Post by Cooper on Mar 20, 2006 18:21:42 GMT
shrinkwrap and 2 zipties
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Post by rcyogi on Mar 20, 2006 21:57:15 GMT
Don't you think if i put a ziptie may unbalance the shalft?
Chris if you find that pice let me know how much.
Thanks.
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Post by Cooper on Mar 21, 2006 8:56:50 GMT
I don't think you'll notice much from it....
you can use a zip tie where the O-rings normally go
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Post by chris burgess on Mar 21, 2006 12:37:39 GMT
Don't you think if i put a ziptie may unbalance the shalft? Chris if you find that pice let me know how much. Thanks. will do, but it won't be until thursday that I get a chance to go looking....I know i have one though! |
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Post by Northy on Mar 21, 2006 12:49:36 GMT
If you don't care about using the bearing again, drill it and put a pin through it.
I've never driven a 4wd without a 1 way, in what way is it different?
G
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Post by YoKoMo-MX4 on Mar 21, 2006 15:18:18 GMT
I've never driven a 4wd without a 1 way, in what way is it different? Off power push would be the best description. I don't suppose you've ever driven a Ford 4x4 Pickup Truck? Put one of them into 4x4 mode and the low speed steering goes to heck. This translates similarly to R/C racing as well. True 'full time 4WD' is only good for slippery tracks ... or sometimes at non-slippery tracks that are 'flowing' (i.e. no 180's). 'nuff said, MX4 |
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Post by pro4nut on Mar 21, 2006 17:37:56 GMT
Interesting views, having driven the xxx4 with and without a one way for me the differance is in how quickly you can put the throttle back in during the corner, with a one way the car is almost pulled out of the corner, however the pred does not have a true one way, it has a layshaft one way, meaning that the car pulls out from the corners in the same way as a car with a front diff.
With touring cars you tend to run a one way on a sweeping track as you do not need the differential effect, with the diff being essential kit on tight tracks.
Why?
The one way in a touring car ensures that both front wheels rotate at the same velocity, while a diff allows the outer wheel to rotate at a faster speed to compensate for the extra distance it has to travel. This means that with a one way in tight corners the car wants to skip and bounce as the inside wheel is turning to quickly.
Braking is also interesting with a one way putting the brakes on hard results in your car pulling a handbrake turn (which is agravated with shaft drive) as you are only applying the brakes to the rear wheels.
Hope this answers some questions
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Post by YoKoMo-MX4 on Mar 22, 2006 4:36:28 GMT
... the pred does not have a true one way, it has a layshaft one way, meaning that the car pulls out from the corners in the same way as a car with a front diff. Well, it has a one-way ... but it is a 'driveline one-way', not a 'diff one-way' As you say there are differences. Generally a diff one-way is more aggressive due to the 'free-er wheeling' that is available. The one way in a touring car ensures that both front wheels rotate at the same velocity, while a diff allows the outer wheel to rotate at a faster speed to compensate for the extra distance it has to travel. This means that with a one way in tight corners the car wants to skip and bounce as the inside wheel is turning to quickly. ... but I'd argue that your description applies to an 'on power' situation only. Off power it is basically the opposite. A 'diff one-way' allows the front end to rotate more quickly off power (sometimes too quickly) whereas a front diff with 'driveline one-way' will be a little less aggressive off power. So, think of the description provided by PRO4NUT as the 'corner exit behavior' and my addition as the 'corner entry behavior' ... I think ... ;D Braking is also interesting with a one way putting the brakes on hard results in your car pulling a handbrake turn (which is agravated with shaft drive) as you are only applying the brakes to the rear wheels. Defo. Braking is certainly different, less overall braking ability with (any) one-way ... more stopping power with full-time 4WD. In addition, in some cases a one-way can change the jumping characteristics of a buggy. With full time 4WD, the in-flight attitude control is significantly better, whereas a one-way only leaves you positive control over the rear tires. Per this fact, the adjustable one-way on the Pred is a great feature for more than just turn-in tuning. 'nuff said, MX4 |
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Post by rcyogi on Mar 22, 2006 20:47:23 GMT
That is the problem i have with the oneway, hit the breaks, and around it goes te back end, and is so much easie to jump with the full time 4wd. Now keep in mind I'm running on a low tracktion track. Thanks for the help guys, I will try the ziptie or maybe shrink tub.
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Post by YoKoMo-MX4 on Mar 23, 2006 15:39:42 GMT
It is usually a good idea to dial out some brake (via ESC or radio settings) when using a one-way. Of couse, this changes the drivng strategy slightly. However, it is generally better to overshoot a corner than to spin out.
'nuff said,
MX4
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